Suburban Senshi IRC Chat #910: “It's a bird, It's a Plane, it's OMGWTF”
#910: “It's a bird, It's a Plane, it's OMGWTF ”


[02:59] *** Mon Nov 28 2005 - LOGGING START ***
[02:59] *** Now talking in #suburbansenshi

[03:00] <=^catablanca^=> So I've decided! I'll date again!
[03:00] <// J_Daito //> Except no one CAREs.
[03:01] <@SpeedRcrX> Yeah dude, you'll just end up going after Russian Brides again
[03:01] <=^catablanca^=> Nothing wrong with a distance relationship :P
[03:01] <// J_Daito //> Look you people are always talking about LOVE. Except no one cares about LOVE
[03:02] <=^catablanca^=> Hey, I'm a nice guy! I'd be loyal, and true, and always willing to compromise!
[03:02] <=^catablanca^=> I just want to care about someone and have them care back!
[03:02] <// J_Daito //> Look, that's sweet but I want to talk about Superman.
[03:03] <@SpeedRcrX> What this isn't more of your neitzche s[BLEEP]t is it
[03:03] <// J_Daito //> Not Das Uberman, SUPERman.
[03:04] <=^catablanca^=> I really believe that I can make some girl very happy if they'll give me a chance.
[03:04] <// J_Daito //> Look you'll make ME happy if you just shut up
[03:05] <// J_Daito //> There are no available females here. Especially none that would be interested in you.
[03:05] <// J_Daito //> Now listen

Peters, who hates the classic Superman in every way imaginable, set out to reinvent Superman in the "sex, killing, rock & roll, and whatever movie was a hit last weekend" style that all of his movies are based in. So he hired Jonathan Lemkin to write the script.

[03:07] <=^catablanca^=> Teh heck...
[03:08] <// J_Daito //> We are about to learn the stupidity of the Superman V that never was
[03:08] <=^catablanca^=> But I have a crush on someone and I want to explore it
[03:08] <// J_Daito //> I WILL CRUSH YOU

Lemkin’s draft had Superman dying in battle with Doomsday, but managing to impregnate Lois as he’s dying by way of Immaculate Conception. Lois is killed off later in the story, but not before giving birth to a baby who grows 21 years in three weeks’ time, and takes over as the new Superman and saves the universe from Armageddon

[03:09] <@SpeedRcrX> Lois Lane: The Passion of the Superman
[03:09] <GERMATOID> ALL WE NEED IS THE WOMB
[03:10] <@S.X. Aino> I guess they never read Man of Steel, Woman of Kleenex --> http://www.larryniven.org/stories/Man_of_Steel_Woman_of_Kleenex.htm
[03:11] <C'est_la_V> Sakura-chan, of course they did, that's why it was an immaculate copulation!!
[03:11] <@S.X. Aino> "conception"
[03:11] <C'est_la_V> That too

. Lemkin’s script—which even he proudly boasted was campy and silly—was scrapped because WB thought it was too similar to Batman Forever

[03:12] <=^catablanca^=> In what part of Batman forever does a woman get immaculately concepted and gives birth ot a child who saves the world?
[03:12] <GERMATOID> RIDDLER WAS THE EMBRYONIC FETUS
[03:12] * @spiritflame changes topic to `[03:12] <GERMATOID> RIDDLER WAS THE EMBRYONIC FETUS`
[03:13] <@SpeedRcrX> Dude it was BATMAN. He LOOKS at you, you get pregnant. Even if you're a man. He's THAT DAMN GOOD

Poirier’s script had an angst-ridden Superman visiting a shrink in order to deal with his feelings of being an outsider and a freak by virtue of his alien heritage, ditching his red and blues for a black suit, using Kryptonian martial arts, and being killed by a Doomsday who bled kryptonite, Brainiac, the Silver Banshee, and the Parasite.

[03:14] <// J_Daito //> So he became emo, ripped off the Sporanos, jacked into the Matrix, learned Kung Fu and got killed by a QUADRUPLE TEAM
[03:14] <@SpeedRcrX> Plot a little dense there, buddy?
[03:15] <Mdm_Maestro> Ara, something was dense all right.

First off, [Kevin] Smith was taken aback when Peters asked him, in all sincerity, "‘Kal-El’? Who’s this ‘Kal-El’ guy you keep mentioning in the script?"

[03:15] <@SpeedRcrX> Nick Cage's spawn
[03:16] <FireFly_9> Just some guy. You know.
[03:16] <GERMATOID> KAL EELELELELELELELELELEL

Peters then told Smith to have Brainiac fight polar bears at the Fortress of Solitude, demanding that the film be wall-to-wall action. Smith thought it was a stupid idea, so Peters said, "Then have Brainiac fight Superman’s bodyguards!" Smith responded, "Why the hell would Superman need bodyguards?" Peters wouldn’t let up, so Smith caved in and had Brainiac fight the polar bears.

[03:17] <@SpeedRcrX> holy s[BLEEP]t dude because Polar Bears are +5 against Braniac oh wait they're not O SHI

Then Peters demanded that Brainiac give Luthor a hostile space dog as a gift, arguing that the movie needed a cuddly Chewbacca character that could be turned into a toy. Then, after watching Chasing Amy, Peters liked the gay black character in the film so much that he ordered Smith to make Brainiac’s robot servant L-Ron gay, asserting that the film needed a gay R2-D2 with attitude.

[03:18] <.`~SugaBB_2999~`.> hay guyz i jast watched palp faction i tink soaparmen needz 2 fite a vallan dat loks like simula L jacksen namd bhadaz materfacker

He also tried to have the Eradicator—now renamed "K" by Burton (to be voiced by Jack Nicholson, who had been previously rumored to play Luthor) and reinvented as a shapeshifting robotic Alfred to Superman’s gadget-dependent Batman (swear to God, I’m not kidding; Burton and Peters’ Superman was to be reliant on Batman-esque Kryptonian gadgets and technology, as reported by Superman CINEMA and Superman-V.com)—tote around an "Eradicator Stick," because he saw visions of posters and toys based on it.

[03:20] <@SpeedRcrX> Dude so it's Supes with a billy club
[03:20] <// J_Daito //> Truth jsutice and the Abner Louima way
[03:21] <.`~SugaBB_2999~`.> hay bui mi facking eradacater stack
[03:21] <.`~SugaBB_2999~`.> it vabratez
[03:21] <FireFly_9> Chibiusa-chan :P

Burton planned to end the film with Luthor and Brainiac amalgamating to become a single villain called either "Luthinac" or "Lexiac". (The concept art by Pete Von Scholly, shown at the Superman V.com site, depicted "Lexiac" as a gigantic slug-like creature with Luthor’s face.) But the most controversial thing Burton did was brag to a radio news service in Texas during an interview that he intended to play up "Superman’s darker, more murderous side"

[03:22] <@SpeedRcrX> Man cuz Clark MURDERED Ma's Apple pies all the damn time
[03:22] <// J_Daito //> DARKLY even
[03:22] <C'est_la_V> One time I think he kicked a puppy!!
[03:22] <@S.X. Aino> Into OOOOOOORRRRRRRRRRBIIIIIIIIIIIITTTTTTTT

So Burton hired Akiva Goldsman—one of the writers initially considered to replace Kevin Smith—to rewrite Strick’s script. Goldsman’s rewrite was rejected. Then Burton hired Ron Bass to rewrite Goldsman’s rewrite of Strick’s script. Bass’s rewrite was rejected. Then Burton hired Dan Gilroy to rewrite Bass’ rewrite of Goldsman’s rewrite of Strick’s script.

[03:23] <Dr_Xadium> Kind of How Suburban Senshi gets written.
[03:23] <C'est_la_V> "Too many cooks sip the soup??"
[03:24] <=^catablanca^=> "spoil"
[03:24] <@S.X. Aino> "spoil"
[03:24] <FireFly_9> "spoil"
[03:24] <Dr_Xadium> "spoil"
[03:24] <C'est_la_V> OK ALREADY MOH!

1. Krypton doesn’t explode. Instead it’s a Naboo rip-off overrun by robot soldiers, walking war machines, and civil war (can you say, Star Wars: Episode I?). Jor-El is literally the king of Krypton and leader of the Kryptonian Senate (thus Superman is a prince), and he and Lara send Kal-El to Earth because he is "the One" whom a prophecy states will save Krypton from destruction (rip-off of The Matrix). The villains, Jor-El’s evil brother and nephew Kata-Zor and Ty-Zor, take Jor-El prisoner and send probe pods out to find and kill the baby Kal-El. 14 years later, Lara and her shell-less turtle servant Taga (shades of Jar Jar Binks) are found by Ty-Zor, and Lara gets tortured to death.

[03:27] <Crwn_FruT_Gamer> Turtle servant?
[03:27] <@SpeedRcrX> Dude all that f[BLEEP]ked up sht the only thing you see is turtle??

2. Superman’s costume is a living entity housed in a can, and it climbs onto him when he needs it.

[03:28] <GERMATOID> SPAWN
[03:28] <@S.X. Aino> Venom
[03:28] <H3LLi05> Carnage, Yo
[03:28] <C'est_la_V> A tiny Midget??
[03:28] <@S.X. Aino> :O

3. Lex Luthor is an evil CIA agent obsessed with UFO phenomena. When Superman reveals himself to the world, Luthor demands that the government allow him to hunt Superman down and kill him. The government refuses, so Luthor allies himself with the evil Kryptonians out to kill Kal-El…because Luthor himself is an evil Kryptonian, working undercover as a human to set up an invasion of Earth!

[03:29] <@SpeedRcrX> Hi My name is Lex, I;m an evil CIA Alien, wanna go out?
[03:29] <// J_Daito //> Did I mention I was evil?

An aerial kung-fu fight between Superman and Ty-Zor results in Superman being lured into a trap: Lois is drowning in a tank filled with kryptonite. (This begs the question of how there can be kryptonite when Krypton didn’t even explode, but….) Superman is given a choice: save her and die from radiation poisoning in the act, or stand by and watch her drown. So he goes in, saves her, and dies. Jor-El magically senses Superman’s death from across the galaxy, commits hara-kiri with a rock he sharpens in his prison cell, goes to Heaven, and talks Superman into coming back to life so he can fulfill the prophecy of saving Krypton from its civil war

[03:30] <@SpeedRcrX> Ok any s[BLEEP]t that starts with an aerial fight with TY ZOR
[03:30] <FireFly_9> That sounds like a bad Power Ranger villain. Or Mecha.
[03:31] <.`~SugaBB_2999~`.> damn iwash i cul kal myslaf geew 2 havan an tlak back ppl 2 lif
[03:31] <// J_Daito //> Well you talk us to DEATH does that count
[03:31] <.`~SugaBB_2999~`.> ..|..

The only thing that changed was Luthor, according to the now-defunct Last Son of Krypton website on 2/04/03; instead of being a Kryptonian masquerading as a human CIA agent, the December 2002 draft of the script (most likely the 3rd draft, as Abrams was working on the 2nd draft when the script was leaked to AICN) featured Ol’ Baldy as a failed shoe salesman who’s granted super-intelligence—and loses all his hair—when he’s possessed by the spirit of a dead Kryptonian.

[03:32] <@SpeedRcrX> the HELL is their obsession with making Luthor tied to Krypton?
[03:33] <@SpeedRcrX> Why can't he just be a super smart pissed off businessman?
[03:33] <// J_Daito //> Because Corporate America doesn't like to see itself mirrored on the big screen

(Some bizarre hearsay about the script popped up in the Talkbacks at AICN in early February 2003. A Talkback member known as "NeofromtheMatrix" claimed that he’d found out what Abrams’ final draft script entailed. According to this guy, Luthor had been changed yet again, this time into a Sauron-like leader of the Brotherhood of the Illuminati whose plans for world domination are disrupted by Superman’s arrival. So he and his followers use an ancient satanic ritual to create kryptonite, a force of pure evil—represented by its green glow—to counter the pure good of Superman.

[03:34] <@SpeedRcrX> IS IT THAT HARD THE MAN IS A GENIUS BUSINESSMAN SAY IT WITH ME
[03:34] <// J_Daito //> A five year old could do better. Without trying.
[03:35] <FireFly_9> But isn't this a hearsay rumour?
[03:35] <@S.X. Aino> After seeing the other ideas, I believe it.

oth The New York Post and Access Hollywood reported that WB sent N Sync frontman Justin Timberlake a copy of Abrams’ script in the hopes of persuading him to play the newly gay Jimmy Olsen.

[03:36] <@SpeedRcrX> NEWLY GAY! With lemon scent!
[03:36] <GERMATOID> SUPERMAN V: OUT OF THE CLOSET! MUAHAHAHAHA
[03:38] <.`~SugaBB_2999~`.> "an jammy loked 2 saoparmen, at da rad tites dat he wroro, an sied. he'd navar notaced da skan tite spundex befire, hoe it stratched, staninng aganst da prassure of supez mity weng. 'O mi gid,' jammy gisped, loking at has weenar. 'truli u r da soaper men'"
[03:38] <FireFly_9> ..................
[03:38] <H3LLi05> That was f[BLEEP]ked up, yo
[03:38] <@SpeedRcrX> Chibi don't ever write again.
[03:40] <// J_Daito //> That's enough, you get the point of all this, the thing mocks itself.
[03:40] <// J_Daito //> If you want to read it all --> http://www.agonybooth.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2730&whichpage=1
[03:40] <=^catablanca^=> I want to talk about my mew direction in life and my hopes for the future
[03:41] <// J_Daito //> What part of no did you not get
[03:41] <=^catablanca^=> But I'm really excited and
[03:41] <@SpeedRcrX> Push the button, rei
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Lurker, my friend, you've done what no man as recently made me do: Dig through my collection to dig up the TPB for TDKR. :D

While looking at that scene (in the second issue, BTW), I'll agree with you on the matter that it *is* ambiguous. We also must look at the actions of the character later on, not only in that issue but also throughout the series. From the consecutiveness of the actions shown (using rubber bullets, outright brutal force but stopping short of killing), I'll have to go with the leaning that he wounded the kidnapper.

But I do agree with the speculation that he (Miller) probably originally intended on having Batman kill the girl but the editorial process (rightfully so) stepped in and stopped that. It wouldn't be the first time.

At least Miller got what he wanted when it came to the costume design that Batman had throughout the series.

Once again, Lurker, you are the goddamn comic knowledge guy around here. Besides me. :D

Solar - I'm just going to have to agree with everything you said. Bravo.

Ikari Shinji • 11/30/05 07:57am

All right, time to chime in and add my two cents here. Jeez, this is one hell of a topic.

This Peters guy is full of shit and is obviously trying to churn out a totally unoriginal script so he can rake in as much controversy and subsequent cash as humanly possible and then disappear into the night. There's continuity and then there's something called "canon" and you cannot change something that is canon.

Example - Batman. Batman's dark, brooding, a little angsty, and intense and Gotham City is an equally dark, gritty, dystopian place rife with crime, inequity, and trouble. It's *supposed* to be that way! It's f$^%ing BATMAN, for cryin' out loud! Under no circumstances can someone attempt to "reinvent" Batman and expect to have any degree of success, because if they tried what they'd have is something that is distinctly NOT Batman.

Now, as for "reinventing" Superman...don't bother! Superman is f#$^ing SUPERMAN, dammit! The "canon" Superman was the literal embodiment of classic American idealogy and idealism in its best forms regardless of how modern day people might feel about it. Superman's upbeat, he's not defeatist, he does what he does because he believes in what he's doing, he doesn't murder or kill ( at least not intentionally ), and he's not into the "sex, drugs, and rock & roll" stuff because he wouldn't be Superman anymore. The character would be something else entirely - just some amoral Generation X avatar wearing a red cape and S acting in a movie solely for the purpose of being eye-candy for an attention-deficit audience that probably doesn't have the mental faculties to appreciate a good storyline and plot such as in good movies like Star Wars, Casablanca, and Saving Private Ryan.

My advice to Peters would be to suck it up and deal with it. Superman is Superman and there ain't nothing in the world that's going to change what the character's all about.

Solarchos [e-mail] • 11/29/05 05:25pm

"But no where in "The Dark Knight Returns" did Batman kill anyone. He crippled people and generally beat the living sh*t out of them but kill? No. Not even the Joker. He just twisted his neck to a degree where he lost feeling before his chest or something." - Shinji Ikari

The Lurker acknowledges the truth of Shinji's words, and notes that the scene he was refering to in regard to the 'Batman kills in THE DARK KNIGHT RETURNS' *is* ambiguous, but...

(The Lurker hunts through his comic collection to try to find a copy of "DKR" to check out the part in question; but things are so disarrayed by the move he can't find ANYTHING. The Lurker puts "Get things in shape around here" on his TO DO list and decides to wing it from memory, even though he knows doing so will expose him to ridicule and feelings of idiocy if he is wrong...

But what the heck! ^__^)

It's in the first book, the trio of punks who have kidnapped the toddler. The reborn Batman breaks into their hideout and disables the first two, taking a light machine gun away from the second as he puts him down. The third punk, though, has a gun to the head of the toddler and is screaming that she'll blow his head off if Batman doesn't back away, believe her, BELIEVE HER! There is a sudden burst of gunfire, the female punk goes down, and Batman is shown standing with the smoking machine gun saying "I believe you."

(The Lurker crosses his fingers that he remembered this correctly. And acknowledges that - if this IS the way it actually went - Bats may NOT have killed her. He's probably a good enough shot to just disable someone, even if he's using a machine gun. But the Lurker always thought it was 'scratch HER off the list', proof that the Batman was NOBODY to mess around with, this time around.)

(The Lurker considers the possibility that might have been what Miller originally intended, but changed his mind/got it changed by DC higher-ups as the series went on...)

The Lurker • 11/29/05 09:47am

Branlexiac - It should be horribly obvious:

Minako has ahold of Arty's tail for digging his claws into her leg,
Michiru is mad at Haruka again and has her hand in the Prof's lap to prove it,
Proffy is secretly feeling both of them up which explains his extra joviality,
and Jedite and Chibiusa are holding hands thinking they are each holding Hotaru's,
Hotaru is secretly smiling and sweatdropping.

As an aside, I love how Minako's bow looks just like Arty's ears. Kawaii! *_*

Fashionable Feline [e-mail] • 11/29/05 02:08am

"(The Lurker also points out that, regarding Batman being a killer: He was in the Thirties. In "the Darkknight Returns" he is, again. He does what needs to be done. He doesn't have to like it. Superman may be the heroic archetype of the Paladin, pure and noble; but Batman is Nemesis, implacable and unstoppable. He walks the line; and sometimes redraws it...)"

You are correct, Lurker. Batman *did* do so in the 30's. But so did Superman. :D

But no where in "The Dark Knight Returns" did Batman kill anyone. He crippled people and generally beat the living sh*t out of them but kill? No. Not even the Joker. He just twisted his neck to a degree where he lost feeling before his chest or something.

Joker actually commited suicide by finishing the job.

But touching upon the above thing, Batman, like Superman, has evolved from the stories of the 30's. Batman walks the line. Gets close to it. But he never crosses it nor redraws it. Because it'd make him no better than what he fights.

Oh, and you're the motherf**king winner once again for making references to the Superman Revenge Squad and Mr. Mxyzptlk. :D

Ikari Shinji • 11/28/05 10:51pm

The Lurker reads.

The Lurker weeps.

The Lurker concludes that everyone connected with this supposed script is a member of the Superman Revenge Squad or under the mental control of Mr. Mxyzptlk. And must be hunted down and... helped.

(The Lurker also points out that, regarding Batman being a killer: He was in the Thirties. In "the Darkknight Returns" he is, again. He does what needs to be done. He doesn't have to like it. Superman may be the heroic archetype of the Paladin, pure and noble; but Batman is Nemesis, implacable and unstoppable. He walks the line; and sometimes redraws it...)

(The Lurker would also say a few words about the flaws in Niven's "MoS,WoT" essay, but that's another show. Right now, he's got some people to go... help.)

(sound of a shotgun being cocked.)

The Lurker • 11/28/05 10:24pm

It all sounds to me like the writers are on drugs. Anyway, why speculate so much about movies that are never going to be made, when we can speculate about who's holding hands with whom in that theater? And about why the prof gets to sit between H and M? And why he looks so happy?

Branlexiac • 11/28/05 08:13pm

"Well, see, Shinji, I haven't seen Batman Begins. And I don't really plan to. *shrugs* So sue me."

I'll raise the corpse of Johnnie Cochran via voodoo and have him take the case. :D

Seriously, it's a damn shame that you're not interested in seeing it. Because, in my humble opinion, that was the best comic adaptation that's been made; not to mention the best opening movie of a comic franchise as well.

For me, if I'm capable of watching a movie in its entirety (without having to skip through portions that I didn't like, which has become more of a given within the last decade), then it's a damn fine piece of work.

Of course, I'm tempted to go into a discussion about how I haven't particually care for 90% of the crap that's been produced nowadays (since I'm a huge film buff) but that's another discussion for another time.

But I will say this:

Whenever someone skips out on a great movie, no matter what it is, you're allowing the terrorists to win.

(I will not comment if I'm serious or not. For that will ruin the possible joke.)

Ikari Shinji • 11/28/05 09:54am

Well, see, Shinji, I haven't seen Batman Begins. And I don't really plan to. *shrugs* So sue me.

Adam Kanal [e-mail] • 11/28/05 09:15am

<.<

Touche.

Furu [e-mail] • 11/28/05 08:15am

"NERD BATTLE"

This is coming from the man that hangs around at the Newsarama forums? :P

Ikari Shinji • 11/28/05 08:12am

NERD BATTLE

/me runs off cackling into the night

Furu [e-mail] • 11/28/05 08:10am

"But I liked "Batman Returns". It made me the man I am today. Someone totally turned on by Michelle Phifer in a leather cat suit. :P "

Maybe it's me but I don't really find Phifer attractive. She's a decent actress but she doesn't turn me on.

"But, yeah. I was pissed when I first watched "Batman" which was just a couple of weeks ago, I'd only seen bits and peices before) and saw that he made THE JOKER the killer of his parents. The flipping JOKER."

I'll touch upon that below.

"And, in all honesty, these were two movies that normal people could go see and enjoy. Not people who'd grown up with the comics. My mom couldn't give a rats ass about the detective who trained Bruce as a kid in the Silver Age continuity, but she's all for watching the movies when their on. Why? Because she could get into them easily."

Adam, I wasn't talking about pleasing the fans with obscure info about what Bruce Wayne did and who he trained with or whatever.

I was talking about being true to what the character is. Christopher Nolan didn't have a problem with doing that and "Batman Begins" was a success. I didn't see people, who weren't fans at all, being put off with Nolan's attempts at being respectful to what has come before.

If you're going to have Batman kill, then you might as well have Superman. Then lets continue with Spider-Man. Next, the Flash can run with the trend. And so forth.

I'll will agree with you, somewhat, that the fans were the entire focus during those two films but they're a major one now. The fans can make or break comic adaptations.

Even though I didn't care for the "Batman" revelation, where you find out that the Joker killed his parents, I don't mind directors making changes to the story itself.

But as long as they say true to what the character is.

Thus give us the Organic Webshooters and Ra's al Ghul training Bruce Wayne and whatever. That doesn't matter to me as long as they stick to what makes the character work.

One last thing: Yeah, I agree with you. Anything is better than "Batman and Robin."

Well, almost. Don't forget the horrible journey to what eventually became "Superman Returns." :D

Ikari Shinji • 11/28/05 07:57am

But I liked "Batman Returns". It made me the man I am today. Someone totally turned on by Michelle Phifer in a leather cat suit. :P

But, yeah. I was pissed when I first watched "Batman" which was just a couple of weeks ago, I'd only seen bits and peices before) and saw that he made THE JOKER the killer of his parents. The flipping JOKER.

And, in all honesty, these were two movies that normal people could go see and enjoy. Not people who'd grown up with the comics. My mom couldn't give a rats ass about the detective who trained Bruce as a kid in the Silver Age continuity, but she's all for watching the movies when their on. Why? Because she could get into them easily.

With those movies, geeks like us weren't the target audience, when you think about it. They were A) kids (I've got one of the action figures from the first movie... infivepieces) and B) your average, everyday citizen looking form something to take their minds off the upcoming layoffs.

But, I'm sure we can all agree on one thing: Anything's better than "Batman and Robin". :D

Adam Kanal [e-mail] • 11/28/05 07:23am

And that should've been "Sam Raimis", not that bloody typo.

How the hell did I get Sami Sam Raimis?!

Ikari Shinji • 11/28/05 06:53am

Actually I disagree with you concerning Burton and Batman. He didn't understand the concept of the character at all. Hell, I don't even think he did research pretaining to the mythos of Batman. Since, you know, he doesn't read comics.

I guess he must think he's above such matters.

If anything, he turned Batman into a killer in those movies. That is something that both you and I know the character isn't.

That's almost as stupid as wanting to turn Superman into a killer! Oh wait... :D

Again, I'm just glad he never got to make his craptacular Superman film. I'd be equally glad if he never got ahold of a comic franchise again. I'd rather have the Sami Sam Raimis (the first two "Spider-Man" films) and Christopher Nolans ("Batman Begins") and Bryan Singers (the first two "X-Men") of the world, who would actually give a rat's ass about being true to the core of the concept, than Tim Burton, who would just use this as another opportunity to do one of his gothic fairy tale movies (see "Batman Returns") which, to be honesty, are fairly overhyped to begin with.

Ikari Shinji • 11/28/05 06:51am

Batman worked for Burton. Batman's a dark character. The pair made sense.

Superman wears bright, red underoos. That doesnt equal dark and brooding. Unless they were dyed with BLOOD. O_0

Adam Kanal [e-mail] • 11/28/05 06:08am

That just goes to show you...

Yes, Tim Burton is overhyped. You have doubts concerning my call on his so-called 'genius'? Just look at the link above.

Thank you lord for Bryan Singer directing "Superman Returns".

Ikari Shinji • 11/28/05 05:17am



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