Suburban Senshi IRC Chat #594: “G-mail == Evil?”
#594: “G-mail == Evil? ”

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[02:47] <Cést_la_V> I was wondering if you could do me a favor and help me out with G-Mail...
[02:48] <Dr_Xadium> G-mail? From Google? That's a bit of a slippery situation, that...
[02:49] <Cést_la_V> Eh? Hotmail is no good anymore, there's too much spam! I want G-Mail, because the diskspace is larger.
[02:49] <Dr_Xadium> So you don't know... hmm, best get you on top of things, then. G-Mail, for all its virtues, has some serious privacy issues associated with it.
[02:56] <Cést_la_V> Oh really?
[02:56] <Dr_Xadium> Yes... once you start bouncing around the legal logistics of it all, it's rather insidious... you see, for starters, they can keep your E-Mail indefinitely, even if you delete your account later.
[02:58] <Cést_la_V> But aren't they under pressure from privacy people??
[02:58] <Dr_Xadium> the pressure is sporadic from the various groups... it needs to be more consistent. So far it's yielded no results.
[03:05] <Cést_la_V> Oh... well, maybe I wouldn't let them hold my sensitive data...
[03:06] <Dr_Xadium> Hmm, still, it stands to reason that if someone not even in G-Mail e-Mails you THEIR sensitive data and then you quote them in your reply, G-Mail will store that forever. They are vulnerable.
[02:59] <Cést_la_V> That's reaching pretty deep into it... maybe you're overanalyzing?
[02:59] <Dr_Xadium> ::sigh:: it's important... you see under the law, even confidential E-Mails over 180 days old become nothing more than standard database records.
[03:08] <Cést_la_V> Oh!!
[03:08] <Cést_la_V> So?
[03:08] * Dr_Xadium sighs again

[03:08] <Dr_Xadium> Mmm... how to put this... whereas a unprotected database record just needs a subpoena that any lawyer can issue to access, a protected mail file needs a Search Warrant from a judge to access-- the obtaining of which is... can you guess?
[03:09] <Cést_la_V> Harder??
[03:10] <Dr_Xadium> right, yes.
[03:10] <Cést_la_V> Mmm, I guess if they really want it they'll push for it, though, so what's the difference between them and hotmail?
[03:13] <Dr_Xadium> Ahh, there's the point. Ease. If you sit back for a moment, you'll see that since they hold your mail forever, eventually all your back mail becomes much more easily accessible to any interested party than if they had standard deletion policies.
[03:15] <Cést_la_V> Oh... but I know lots of people who don't delete their old mail... I have to push myself to do that sometimes...
[03:16] <Dr_Xadium> Yes, but at least with other services, they have the option of having their data be removed from the system when they quit.
[03:16] <Cést_la_V> Yes... but I think X-chan is overanalyzing, I mean it's just a stupid E-Mail thing
[03:18] <Dr_Xadium> YES, but you never know when your private mail will become an issue
[03:18] <Cést_la_V> Oh, come on now! You're just too paranoid!!
[03:18] <Dr_Xadium> Ugh, fine, if you don't believe me, head down to and see for yourself...
[03:21] <Cést_la_V> Ahhh, hahahaha they're just conspiracy theorists, you let them fill your head with ideas again LOL
[03:22] <Dr_Xadium> You're too much sometimes, you know that... does privacy mean nothing to you?!
[03:22] <Cést_la_V> heheheheh LOL you get agitated too easily, you know that? It's just E-mail!!
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