#267: “The Son of In defense of Dragonball Z ”

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*** Topic is '-= Some people just don't get it =-'
<--=[ SpeedRcrX ]=--> Yo somebody just sent me an email complaining about how our super-ancient MiST of this whackass DBZ review was "so lame" because we dared to pick on someone who didn't think DBZ wasn't the greatest show in the world.
<// J_Daito //> Funny, I thought we MiSTed it because it was just *wrong*
<// J_Daito //> You know, with the, like, *facts* and stuff.
<--=[ SpeedRcrX ]=--> That's YOUR department, Mr. Coffee man!
<--=[ SpeedRcrX ]=--> Since we're all about being "fair and balanced" here, I say we give it a second shot.
<// J_Daito //> Whatever, Ten'ou. You must be really bored or something.
"Vegeta eventually marries Bulma and they have a love-child named Trunks who becomes a Super Saiyan at a very early age"

<FireFly_9> How is it a "love child" if they are married?
<// J_Daito //> I never saw a marriage ceremony... but yeah, how can you have it both ways?
There are also rumors that him and Goku are lovers, but these are just rumors of course!

<--=[ SpeedRcrX ]=--> Vegita and Gokou: Lovers... of battle.
<FireFly_9> That's about right.
[Gohan] Later on he slacks off on his training and becomes a lot weaker, as does his character’s influence in the series

<--=[ SpeedRcrX ]=--> That is true...
<// J_Daito //> Except for that whole "I've got the Z sword, look at me kick the [BLEEP] out of Buu with one hand tied behind my back" Mystic Gohan phase.
<--=[ SpeedRcrX ]=--> Did you notice that when he first got ticked at Rou Kaioshin before fully achieving the powerup his eyes were green like a Super-Saiyajin's?
<// J_Daito //> I did not know that.
<--=[ SpeedRcrX ]=--> it's true, it's true.
The unffocial “narrator” of DBZ, Krillin prefers the side-lines while ranting incoherent thoughts than using any sort of power in hand-to-hand combat.

<--=[ SpeedRcrX ]=--> Except for the Kamehameha
<// J_Daito //> or Kienzan
<FireFly_9> Or even regular ki blasts
Piccolo once hatched from a bad egg (like a Tamagotchi, oh how I adored them) but then after this he split into two, Good Piccolo and Bad Piccolo.

<--=[ SpeedRcrX ]=--> Piccolo's *dad* did the splitting. Piccolo Jr. was the son of Bad Piccolo, who spat out his egg
<// J_Daito //> Making him plain BadASS Piccolo.
<--=[ SpeedRcrX ]=--> Hell yeah.
Somewhere along the line they fused created Piccolo.

<FireFly_9> Somewhere... which I can't pinpoint because I'm not clear on trivial things like major plot points.
<// J_Daito //> And Piccolo Jr. Re-fused with "Good Piccolo", i.e. Kami, his half-father to *recreate* the original Piccolo.
<--=[ SpeedRcrX ]=--> That's incest, isn't it?
<// J_Daito //> I think it's incest in reverse or something
As you can see, he enjoys switching from side-to-side, but in the end he joins the Z-Fighters.

<// J_Daito //> Umm... Piccolo switched *once* in the beginning when he joined with them to fight the Saiya-jin. Before that he was Goku's rival. After that he was *always* on the good guys' side.
<--=[ SpeedRcrX ]=--> I think the review just enjoys switching side-to-side, from "hard fact" to "Let me just make [BLEEP] up as I go along"
<--=[ SpeedRcrX ]=--> Oh crap... he actually rewrote this?
<// J_Daito //> Huh?
I received a lot of criticism for my past review of Dragonball Z, which was clearly biased, so I went out of my way to rewrite the summary (though, I've kept the character descriptions intact because I thought they were mildly humurous).

<--=[ SpeedRcrX ]=--> Dude, they kinda are
<// J_Daito //> But they're also kinda *wrong*, at least with Piccolo and Kryllin.
The sad part about this series is that Akira Toriyama wanted to end it after Cell, but the fan feedback was so great that he was forced to animate another horrible Saga, which is almost a facsimile of the prior saga.

<// J_Daito //> He wanted to end it after *Frieza*, which is why that fight was so damn long
<--=[ SpeedRcrX ]=--> Buu is kinda interminable, but c'mon, Fusions rocked the house, and there was *nothing* like that in Cell Saga.
<// J_Daito //> Moreover, *Toriyama* did not "animate" anything. He was the *manga* artist, you know, the comic book?
<--=[ SpeedRcrX ]=--> Dude he said he never read that
<// J_Daito //> No he cut that fact out of this rewrite of the review
<--=[ SpeedRcrX ]=--> So he must have read it
<FireFly_9> Yes, he would never omit a key defect in his credibility to make comments on the mythos as he does next.
The characters are all equally inane in their development. Most of them are one-dimensional,

<--=[ SpeedRcrX ]=--> I'm not getting into this again.
<FireFly_9> Vegita, Piccolo and Gohan all have strong character arcs. Goku is purposefully one-dimensional.
and none of the adversaries have any real motivations other than getting the Dragonballs and becoming rulers of the Universe.

<// J_Daito //> How inappropriate for a series called "Dragonball Z"
<FireFly_9> Good vs. Evil is a universal thematic device.
This might make some people happy, but for the rest of the educated population, it makes for a very repetitive and often times boring series.

<// J_Daito //> I do believe this reviewer is casting aspersions on our levels of education because we enjoy DBZ.
<FireFly_9> Hmph. For someone who can't spell "Humorous" properly, that is a fairly amusing comment.
Even later in the series, when you'd think they'd put more attention to detail in the fight scenes, they say that the characters move so fast that you "can't see them fight," which is the unfortunate explanation for why the fights consist of flashing white lines.

<--=[ SpeedRcrX ]=--> But they... kinda *are* moving faster than the eye can see....
<// J_Daito //> Now to be fair the animators do cheat a lot... look how many times the speaking character has his face to the back of the camera so they could avoid showing their mouths move
<--=[ SpeedRcrX ]=--> Leading to the amusing dub line where Piccolo (back to the camera of course) "says" that the people Nappa vaporized in a helicopter got out with parachutes.
<// J_Daito //>
<--=[ SpeedRcrX ]=--> Yes, the invisible parachutes.
<--=[ SpeedRcrX ]=--> For invisible escapees.
It's sad that some people write huge articles on why this review was biased, but at least it gave me a chance to rewrite my review.

To all of the fans of Dragonball Z, perhaps you should try finding another series that is actually decent and worth watching

<--=[ SpeedRcrX ]=--> Yo, punx0r, check the bar on the left... we've got TONS of anime cred... DBZ is like less than 1% of what we've seen and we STILL think it stacks up ok
<// J_Daito //> So it's no [BLEEP]ing Evangelion... tough. What it does, it does well.
<--=[ SpeedRcrX ]=--> "The Greatest Action Cartoon Ever Made"
<// J_Daito //> Hell yeah.
<--=[ SpeedRcrX ]=--> Hey check out the comments:
Theres not much you can expect from this anime. The thing that attracts so many viewers are the constant fighting. Personally I feel this series is just nothing but a few fighters saving the world from some aliens.

<// J_Daito //> And your problem is...?
You won´t see much from this anime. Might as well just don´t watch it.

<// J_Daito //> Yeah, we won't see anything... except for "the constant fighting" and "fighters saving the world".
<--=[ SpeedRcrX ]=--> No man, we have to take his word for it. Literally.
<--=[ SpeedRcrX ]=--> Well, that's it... I noticed he omitted most of the fun stuff about not being real familiar with Dragonball or the legend it was based on
<// J_Daito //> Yeah, best not to let new readers know that up front. Lucky our old review still has the quotes to prove it.
<FireFly_9> Now, be fair, he has learned quite a bit... he revised the episode count down from "around 295" to 291.
<--=[ SpeedRcrX ]=--> Yup, yup.
<// J_Daito //> Think he'll be pissed about this re-review of his re-review?
<--=[ SpeedRcrX ]=--> Probably.
<// J_Daito //> Heh.
<FireFly_9> You realize, if the past is any predictor, he will probably strip *all* personal comments from the review next time around to avoid displaying his remaining errors, and thus will have little more than a stock regurgitation of DBZ series facts on his site.
<--=[ SpeedRcrX ]=--> Hmm... "Stock Regurgitation"... somehow I think that phrase fit that review real well. It's a repeat, but pretty much well-digested.
<// J_Daito //> The "chyme" of DBZ reviews
<FireFly_9> Heh. But we're not educated enough to make such a reference, remember?
<// J_Daito //> we so st00p1d
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• 01/29/13 01:11am

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• 01/26/13 04:28am

Well, maybe NEXT time when someone bashes an anime, they'll have actually SEEN it before making themselves look like an idiot! Yes, people DO have opinions, but the truly smart ones tend to do their research before they bash! Great job,Dr.X..those types of people are amusing, but at the same time a waste of internet space..

Ceri • 07/08/04 05:57pm

Your wrong on that one when Kami came to earth and tried out for the position of Gaurdian of EArth he needed to clense himself of evil so he split in two and then King Piccolo was born of the evil in Kami then Goku killed King Piccolo and he spat out his esence in the form of an egg that contained "JR"( Which then refered to himself as Piccolo

NeoCon • 04/26/04 12:46pm

Yeah, I kind of own Point-Blank, and don't you think this is kind of ridiculous? Its a poor reflection of you guys when you make fun of someone else's opinion on a site which I have personally made a painstaking effort to allow for the opinion of EVERYBODY to be featured! Instead of mocking someone's valid opinion (and it doesn't matter whether its pro or con), perhaps you should do exactly... what the site... was designed for... and post your own? Or wait, maybe I should institute a fascist regime and control what everyone says? Because that's exactly what you're indicating.

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Duo • 09/05/03 01:08pm

This isn't about what you're writing here, of course, (the "MiST") but rather about that original article. Admittedly I haven't read it myself, nor am I a fan of DBZ, but I got the gist of the argument.

I don't get the point of writing articles knocking down other series just for the sake of pointing out to people "and thats why the show sucks and you shouldn't watch it." You don't like the show? Ok, don't watch. This is America, you have that freedom. Maybe you don't have it in Canada so there its justified, I dunno.

Trying to make yourself sound superior to the rest then because you're smart enough not to watch it just ends up being sad. What would you be trying to prove? The truly intelligent among us don't need to point out to people that they're smarter than us.

In the episode of "Tough Crowd With Colin Quinn" that I went to a few weeks ago, Quinn talked about how he doesn't like people who get offended when others don't share their tastes. For example, if he's eating a hamburger and doesn't want ketchup on it they'd say, "You don't want ketchup? What's wrong with you?!"

Some people prefer or enjoy things that others won't. Writing a review of this is like composing a diatribe against lime-lemon flavoured snow cones. (Which are kind of nasty...) "I DON'T LIKE LIME LEMON AND ITS FOR TEH STUPIDOS NYA NYA NYA. YOU SHOULD EAT BLUE RASPBERRY ITS FOR TEH COOL PEOPLES."

Ultimately writing an article like this is simply a poor attempt at trying to get attention for yourself and likely written to purposely draw flames. Again, its just sad to be that desperate.